Red Rain, India, and Alien Life Forms

heating this red rain to 400 degrees celcious will produce a gas, this gas contains a meterial that holds a bacteria from Jupiter. The winds on Jupiter accually created a life form know to scientists as, Cletrolested, this life form has the ability to cure countless forms of the flue virus, almost makeing the flue harmless to the human body.

I'd love to have the source for what you say. I'll do a follow up article and plaster it on the front page. I googled "Cletrolested" but couldn't find anything. Still, thanks for the tip.

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Complete with 48 footnotes quoting papers on subjects including "Hyperthermophiles and the problem of DNA instability," "Making other Earths: Dynamical Simulations of Terrestrial Planet Formation and Water Delivery," "The improbability of prebiotic nucleic acid synthesis," "Endogenous production, exogenous delivery and impactshock synthesis of organic molecules; an inventory for the origins of life," and "A barophilic response by two hyperthermophilic, hydrothermal vent archaea: an upward shift in the optimal temperature and acceleration of growth rate at supra-optimal temperatures by elevated pressure." Wow. There is some heavy science coming down in this paper. m, I believe this is your baliwick. This paper is listed as New biology of red rain extremophiles prove cometary panspermia and it seems as though there is quite a bit of debate about what's up.

"If not here, where? If not now, when?"

under high magnification at this site. They also link to the paper and a couple of articles, probably redundant given what's here.

"If not here, where? If not now, when?"

For rain, any color other than water white, and any clarity other than completely transparent marks rain as an interesting oddity. Strangely colored, and object containing rains have occurred throughout recorded history. They occasion great interest and comment. Sometimes the genesis of the material in the rain is quickly determined, other times it remains shrouded in mystery.

One particular set of colored rains stands out in recent history, namely the yellow rain that occurred in Laos in 1975. This rain was been attributed to two possible sources: 1) mycotoxins (fungi poisons) produced by the Soviet Union and used as chemical warfare against the Hmong, and 2) rain that has been contaminated by pollen containing bee fecal material. A few laboratories found trichothecene mycotoxins in the rain residues, but there is great dispute as to whether or not those could have been endogenous to the area. At least some yellow rain has been proven to result from bee fecal material, but that does not rule out the possibility that the yellow rain in Laos and Cambodia occurred as the result of poisoning. Thirty years later, the cause of these yellow rains remains unresolved.[1]

During the late '60s and early '70s a new form of water called "polywater" was discovered by a Soviet scientist. The physical properties of this polywater were significantly different than that of normal water. It had an elevated boiling point, depressed freezing point, and was viscous as well as being denser than other water. All sorts of theories were advanced, and uses were theorized. Some experts cautioned that if laboratory produced polywater even got loose, it might catalytic convert all water on the earth to polywater, and end all life on the globe as we know it. Other laboratories were able to reproduce the phenomenon. But, some others were not. And it turned out that the phenomenon was the result of biological contamination by finger print oils getting onto the capillary tubing that was used as a condensing substrate during "polywater synthesis".

There are a couple of papers about a red rain that occurred in India. Louis and Kumar are reputed to have written a paper in 2003 titled "New biology of red rain extremophiles prove cometary panspermia". In 2006 they write a paper entitled "The Red Rain Phenomenon of Kerala and its Possible Extraterrestrial Origin". The authors seem to be going backward on their main thesis. Panspermia was "proved" in 2003, but is only "possible" in 2006. No scientific paper, by itself, ever PROVES anything. One paper says "Hey look, I found something interesting." The author(s) may go on to add some additional thoughts, but a paper is an invitation to others to attempt to reproduce a phenomenon.

I skimmed the paper. The first thing that struck me was the statement that all life on earth contains DNA. There are two classes of virus that do not contain DNA, but rather the related RNA. But the particular testing (Ethidium Bromide dye fluorescence) they did for DNA should have yielded information about the existence of RNA as well. So, why did they repeatedly make the mistake about DNA being in all earth life forms, and why did they not know their testing is also used for RNA determinations?

Their testing for the existence of "life" and "proteins" does not seem very sophisticated to me. There have been multiple chemical systems developed that exhibited one or more characteristics that are normally associated with life, but were not "alive". These include exhibiting movement, tropisms, and even being self-catalytic in their reproduction. It would be most interesting to see the results of more rigorous testing.

There are statements that the specimens will be submitted to other laboratories in an attempt to gain confirmation of the reproducibility of their experiments. Perhaps they are on to something, but I can't believe it on the basis of what they have so far said in their papers.

Panspermia, as a matter of conjecture, is certainly a pertinent and viable theory. But I can not reject the possibility of life beginning on earth simply because some think it too unlikely. And, panspermia does not resolve that question either -- if life didn't originate on earth, then where did it start?

[1]Center for Nonproliferation Studies Conflicting Evidence Revives "Yellow Rain" Controversy

It seemed to me that the work was more extensive than you suggest, and as for the DNA/RNA testing, well, you certainly know more about that than I. I just figured your scientific eye would catch the pertinent pieces of what's going on, and you could let us know whether we should get excited or not. Sounds like the jury's out on this one.

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And you have to be sort of numb not to be interested in the concept. Some investigators get ahead of themselves because it is so exciting. I suspect that is what happened to Fleishman and Pons with Cold Fusion. There is some phenomenon there.

There is a species of shrimp called the snapping shrimp. Somehow it snaps its claw right next to, or against its prey, and creates a cavitation bubble that collapses. The energy produced stuns the prey. But, during that process a tiny spark of light is emitted. Some studies seem to confirm that in the microcosm of this tiny collapsing bubble, that plasma temperatures are reached. This has been determined by the wavelength of light given off, which is specific to the energy state of the electron, so that is fairly certain. This is of interest to fusion, because fusion starts to occur in the region of plasma temperatures.

Cavitation is a significant interest to engineers, it causes great erosion to ship propellers, high pressure hydraulics and other similar types of problems. The microplasma may well explain just why such objects wear as they do. But, desktop fusion is now anathema to any respectable researcher. Some are rumored to be carrying out subrosa studies, but it will probably be off limits for my lifetime anyway.

I don't think Pons and Fleishman made it up from the start. They probably had some interesting phenomenon, and became subjected to an administrator who kept taking their statements and twisting them, making more and more of out of what P&F were saying. They didn't know how to back it down, and it obviously just grew out of control. I have been there, and seen the pressure that administrators and the press can put on scientists, and how naive scientists can be about what others understand.

In an ideal world (sigh), when the rain happened, hundreds or thousands of samples would have been gathered, and sent to universities and other laboratories around the globe - "What is it? Here, have fun!" It's not that expensive to fill a bottle and ship it somewhere.

We'd have 3D pictures of it in nearly every part of the electromagnetic spectrum, we'd have a fair graph of what environmental conditions it "reproduces" under, we'd have a different understanding altogether.

If the churches hadn't shut down access to them, those of us that care about history might know a lot more about life back then than the legend they presently distribute. Of course, regarding approved science, I've also seen video demonstrating that cancers are a derivation of spores, and that somatids indicate the strength of our immunity. I don't think the medical powers that be approve of such ideas.

Sometimes researchers get cowardly when dollars and access are at stake, and god forbid that someone else should figure something out sooner than someone else. The "discovery" of Neptune simultaneously by three different researchers in three different nations almost set off a Continental war in 19th century Europe.

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