My 24 hours at Little Green Footballs (LGF)

They're still extremists and racists. What's your point?

"I can't take anything away from you guys. You're making choices. That is better than just floating along aimlessly, almost any day. I think think there's some undeniable amount of cynicism behind you're stated feelings and positions, but you seem to be admitting that too, so what the heck. I will remind you all that I did advocate bombing al quaeda, "back to the stone age" at one point though, so I don't know if that qualifies me as a iron-clad pacifist. Don't know what else to say, but instead of "pontificating" anymore I'm joining in on Kumbayah for a while..."

Do not fancy you can stand aside from the bad man or the foolish man. They are yourself, though in a less degree than your friend or (teacher). But if you allow the idea of separateness from any evil thing or person to grow up within you, by so doing you create Karma, which will bind you to that thing or person till your soul recognizes that it cannot be isolated. Remember that the sin and shame of the world are your sin and shame; for you are a part of it; your Karma is inextricably interwoven with the great Karma. And before you can attain knowledge you must have passed through all places, foul and clean alike. Therefore, remember that the soiled garment you shrink from touching may have been yours yesterday, may be yours tomorrow. And if you turn with horror from it, when it is flung upon your shoulders, it will cling the more closely to you. The self-righteous man makes for himself a bed of mire. Abstain because it is right to abstain -- not that yourself shall be kept clean. - Light on the Path

Wow.... you're leading me into Kool Aid Kuntry for my 4th visit to LGF today....scary.

LGF is most definitely not a gruop who have been tricked by Bush. They are wingnuts who believe fiercely in their extreme right wing ideology to the point of religious fervor.

Wish me luck.... I'm goin in.

This post on the LGF thread sums it all up in my opinion.

"If I were to die horribly in a terrorist attack tomorrow, maybe the obituary in the morning papers would label me an ’Äúinnocent’Äù old lady. But I am not."

I'm amazed you were actually able to get a semi-civil discussion out of a couple of people. That's truly a rarity on LGF.

Thanks for your comments Nate. How in the heck did you end up on LGF 4 times in one day?!There are the die hard flame monkeys on LGf, but if you can ignore them a couple folks will usually pop up on the radar of reasonability. I think if I would have taken the bait from even one of the flame monkeys I would have been toast...

I can't believe you wouldn't rather have these creepy crawlers just "floating along aimlessly" rather than "making choices" to enable the Neo-cons to fuck up the world and send thousands to their inglorious deaths. What the hell are you thinking, man??

Delmundo,

A smaller part of me would definitely rather have them "just floating along" than organizing and advocating policies that are arguably a total-disaster for our country and our world.

Another part of me:

• realizes that what the "smaller part of me" wishes is irrelevant. They have their freewill and it isn't going anywhere whether I want it to or not. An aside - the desire to control someone's freewill is how totalitarian movements get started. (which I don't believe you are advocating, but still that is how they get started)
• believes that at times people-in-general may only learn through making wrong choices (yes, it would be very, very nice if the "wrong choices" didn't have to be so aggregious)
• realized the conversation at LGF seemed to be getting ready to take one of two directions - 1) myself and the LGF'ers tell each other to go "screw ourselves" (which seemed like an unproductive choice at best), or 2) we end the dialog as amiciably as possible, while still leaving it open for future discussions and the whole exchange is recorded for posterity so folks like yourself can judge the larger movements at play...

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If so, check if you're banned.

You probably are.

Hi hp,

I've not been banned, nor would I hope that I'd do anything to deserve it, OR have anyone ban me if I didn't deserve it. Charles seems to be willing to let things go as long as they don't feel like you're intentionally gaming them. VodkaPundit on the other hand...

Have you had a different experience?

I think you missed the most important moral distinctions here.

The thread you participated in on LGF was about Palestinian Jihad's deliberately killing children. If those people continue to get their way, the violence will never stop. Innocents will be slaughtered forever because that is their direct intent.

Those pictures, (for the sake of argument I'll assume they are genuine - though Al Jazeera is not a reliable source), are the one time cost of delivering Iraq from under the boot of Saddam's thugs. If the people who harmed those children have their way, there will be no more violence in the Middle East, and certainly no more mass graves filled with Kurdish women and children.

I can only assume you ignore that most salient fact - that of ongoing violence because ongoing eternal violence doesn't bother you at all. It's not important enough for you to even notice.

I'm sure you feel pure as blown snow, though. Congratulations, you waded into the worst of human crimes, understood none of it, wagged your finger at the wrong party, and feel pure. So at least you got something out of all this suffering even if no one else did.

What's someone from Lion's Gate Films doing on this comment stream? I saw the logo (LGF) and just had to find out. Gosh, and here I thought we weren't important enough for Lion's Gate Films to get their attention. And to think we even got one of their morality police, lecturing us on how we feel, and what we're getting out of suffering. Gee Mister. If I pray good enough, and promise to be waving the flag for Lion's Gate Films, do I get to play a part in your next religious flick? Oh where have you been all these months, oh awaited one? I promise I'm pure enough, even if the others aren't.

I comment fairly regularly on LGF, don't always find agreement, naturally, but have found it is a strong resource and a serious, no-nonsense challenge to jihadis and hard-left extremists (please don't read that as an attack on the centre-left).

I'm gratified to read that you checked it out with a good attitude and came away with understanding. That's all anyone can ask, and I'm sure readers would be happy to have your input more often.

"I comment fairly regularly on LGF, don't always find agreement, naturally, but have found it is a strong resource and a serious, no-nonsense challenge to jihadis and hard-left extremists (please don't read that as an attack on the centre-left)."

A "strong resource"?

Sure, for anyone who can't debunk half of the garbage posted there upon reading it (i.e.: people who have no solid background knowledge of the Middle East or Islam). Aside from that, the site runs stories that later turn out to be bogus (ex.: the N.J. Copt stabbings, among other incidents).

...it was 2004 just before the election and I was in that, 'well there's been a whole bunch of people who have screwed up big time, and maybe they'll admit/do something about it mindset'. I was hopeful in other words.

Well, as we've all witness the years (slowly) pass since then, it's been quite obvious that the LGF community as a whole have deserved their presently soiled reputation. I would not write the same article as I did above, today.

Maybe it was a 'feel good slide' after all. All in all I feel this post one of my more egregious miscalculations/misrepresentations that I've made while blogging.

Stick to the front page, take it with a grain of salt, and it's a useful resource.

Venture into the comments, and you'll be in a world of hurt.

Kind of like Kos.